But up to the day of his death, Brushy Bill said that he was Billy the Kid. He never spoke, Garrett recalled. But the mayors of Fort Sumner and Silver City say they wont let the bodies buried in their towns be disturbed, and that sets the stage for a legal showdown this winter in New Mexicos 6th District Court. It was the first time, during all his life of peril, that he ever lost his presence of mind, or failed to shoot first, Garrett wrote. The next day, according to Garrett, a Coroners Jury held an inquest, determined that the dead man was Billy the Kid, and ruled that Garretts killing of him had been a justifiable homicide. He said he had lived incognito for decades but was finally seeking pardon for his crimes. Whos that? he asked, in Spanish. So which story is correct? You take a small town such as Fort Sumner we are very, very, very dependent upon our tourism base..

Edwards wrote that Morrison contacted the then 90-year-old Billy to interview him, he was reluctant to share his story, especially since he was technically still wanted and condemned to hang for the murder of Sheriff William Brady, a crime he claimed he didnt commit., But, Edwards wrote, Billy decided it was more important to make an attempt to secure the pardon that he was promised more than seventy years earlier than it was to remain a fugitive outlaw hiding in the shadows.. Billys headstone was washed away as a result of the flood, and, even though a new one was erected in 1932, there is no way to know for certain the location of his original grave in the cemetery. She said at one point Billy even worked in law enforcement, using his cowboy skills to hunt down horse rustlers. We believe his story and pray to God for the forgiveness he solemnly asked for.. At first blush, the saga sounds like a straightforward detective story: Tradition says that Billy the Kid (a.k.a. They want to know that a 14-year-old made it., A statue of Billy the Kid is planted in the median of Pecan Street in downtown Hico. Roberts was on a small state pension and this had to be supplemented by his elderly wife taking on laundry to bring in a relatively small income. After Billys involvement in the Lincoln County conflict, his reputation exploded and his life was never the same. After the incident, Poe is noted to not believe the man who had been shot dead was Billy, insisting that it was the wrong man. Billy the Kid realized that someone besides Maxwell was there in the darkness, and raised his pistol within a foot of Garretts chest. One of them, from the United Kingdom, told her why he was so interested in learning more about Billy the Kids legend. Land said Billy did what he had to do to survive." He said, Im not rooting for the man. Garrett wanted to be a big shot, and he wanted that reward. [9] Jameson, W. C., Billy the Kid: Beyond the Grave, pp. But I had to hide. I think, rather than having a positive effect on tourism there, its having just the opposite: Its really devastating the economy of those small towns, and really cheapening the historical authenticity of those small villages and cemeteries., Graves sees it differently: When were dead and gone, all thats left is a shell, he said. An attorney named William Morrison overheard a rumor that Billy the Kid was not killed by Sheriff Pat Garrett, as is the traditional wisdom, but instead survived and lived on in Hico, where he was mostly known as Brushy Bill. Brushy Bill Roberts did not want money or fame; all he wanted in his old age was the pardon for his crimes that he was promised 70 years before by Governor Thomas Mabry. Sue Land, the museums director, said Billy decided to talk to Morrison so he could help him get the pardon he had long wanted. The Kids fame definitely did not end in July 1881 and he fascinates the public up to this day. However, the book was more like a traditional dime novel, which often featured cowboy figures. And if it means New Mexico gets a little attention, so be it. He began researching Billy the Kid and "Brushy Bill" in early 2014. Billy the Kid has beenpromiseda pardonby New Mexico Governor Lew Wallace in 1879, but the governor didnt keephis end of the bargain. His wife, Lizzie, had him buried at a cemetery on the north side of Hamilton. Billy the Kid, pictured on a wanted poster. Now her doubts are gone, and she is confident that Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid. The three men concealed themselves, as a man in a broad-brimmed hat, a dark vest, shirt and pants walked past them.

He also compiled a detailed list of the witnesses who saw the outlaws body after his death and before his burial. But Governor Mabrys skepticism could not stop others from believing Brushy Bill Robertss story. [4] Prassel, F. R., The Great American Outlaw: A Legacy of Fact and Fiction (Norman, Oklahoma: University of Oklahoma Press, 1996), p. 152. Other people in other states have done this with Jesse James.

The story of a man named Ollie Roberts, a.k.a.

Hines told Morrisona whopper of a tale: Billy the Kid had not been killed in New Mexico. Source: Fair use. Unfortunately, the body isnt available for exhumation and DNA comparison with Billy the Kids mother Catherine Antrim, who is buried in Silver City, New Mexico. (LogOut/ In 1990, the University of Texas, with scientists Scott Acton and Alan Bovik, used facial recognition techniques frequently used by the FBI to see how closely Brushy Bill Roberts and Billy the Kid resembled each other. The stories told byBrushy Bill seemed quite convincing to the intrigued investigator. As a result, its impossible to tell which of the bodies in the cemetery are his, Motavalli says. Bill Richardson supports the use of DNA analysis to solve the mystery. [1] Yet one thing stood out to me as utterly fascinating: in 1950, a man known as Brushy Bill Roberts applied for a pardon for Billy the Kid. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. 2022 www.statesman.com. This is an industry for us, Lopez said. Whatever your own believes on the matter, its true that the outlaw does have continuing appeal and fascination. Although no one can say definitively if Brushy Bill Roberts was truly Billy the Kid, this did not stop the town of Hico from creating a Billy the Kid Museum to remember him and, of course, bring in tourists. The 1882 biography The Authentic Life of Billy the Kid, Noted Desperado of the Southwest, Whose Deeds of Daring and Blood Made His Name a Terror in New Mexico, Arizona and Northern Mexico, which was written by Garrett, his killer, contains what seems to be the most credible account of the fatal confrontation, according to Motavalli. [9] He also died of a heart attack in December 1950 after his attempt of a pardon was unsuccessful. Billy the Kid Historic Preservation Society. As skeptical as Morrison was, he too became convinced that he was in the presence of none other than Billy the Kid.

He was given a chance to start over.. Edwards richly detailed book about Billy the Kid is full of fascinating information uncovered by Edwards. The key hearing on the exhumation is due in January. 03-06-136-01, opened 6/7/03).

[6] The body was buried that same day and was fully intact, despite later claims by various people to have kept body parts as relics. Being English, I assumed that this was because we have our own outlaws, rather than the cowboys of the American West. Little did he know exactly what hed find.

Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. They were breaking horses. Detractors, though, say the holes in Robertss case are damning. Governor Mabry did not take the meeting, or Roberts, seriously. Morrison set up a meeting with Governor Mabry, who was not convinced that Brushy Bill was indeed Billy the Kid. View all posts by voyagerofhistory. This year entries will be open to films that include a general outlaw theme, Vasquez said. In 1948, a paralegal William V. Morrison was investigating a man named Joe Hines, a survivor of the Lincoln County War, the feud that helped cement Billy the Kids name in history. By solidifying its claim on the Billy the Kid story, Fort Sumner and New Mexico could give their tourism trade a boost, Graves said. Since that time, debates have raged over Robertss claims, and whether he was truly one of the Wests most notorious gunmen or just an old man looking for attention. Roberts grave site in Hamilton, Texas. Some have claimed that Garrett shot the wrong man and Billy escaped. All Rights Reserved. Roberts died later that year, and is now buried in Hamilton, Texas. There is no doubt there that Billy the Kid is one of their own, and theyre happy to tell the world. Retired Arizona State University history professor Robert J. Stahl tried unsuccessfully in 2015 to convince New Mexico officials to issue a belated death certificate for the outlaw, but his petition was rejected by the states Supreme Court. These guys were cowboys. Land said Billy went to Mexico for about three years, then lived in Texas for three years. The grave in Fort Sumner has no body.. That fact points to the likelihood that Billy the Kid was indeed killed that night in Fort Sumner, in the manner that Garrett described. After meeting some of the Kids contemporaries, ones who personally knew the gunslinger and told Morrison that they were positive that Brushy Bill was indeed Billy the Kid, Morrison decided to go to Hico to meet him in person and put an end to all the rumors. New Mexico didnt become the 47th state until Jan. 6, 1912. He was a gunman. This started within a year of the Kids supposed death after Pat Garrett published a biography of his victim. And that means a fascination with New Mexico.. Still, there are many people today who believein the legitimacy of Brushy Bills claim. WATCH: 'Shootouts in the Wild West' on HISTORY Vault. [11] It is possible that even if he wasnt Billy, Roberts would have known him well and had himself participated in the Lincoln County War. Most notably that there has been a lot fictionalisation surrounding Billys life. We dont have much to live off of other than the legend, so we have to protect it.. But in 1950, a Texas man named Brushy Bill Roberts claimed that he was the real Billy the Kid and that someone else had been shot in his place. Leaving the two deputies on the porch, Garrett slipped into the darkened house and quickly found the room where Maxwell was in bed. This part of our history is something that we need to prove and stand on, said Gary Graves, the sheriff of De Baca County, which encompasses Fort Sumner.

In the book, Billy the Kid: A Short and Violent Life, three shooting deaths that occurred during the Lincoln County War were mentioned. Billy the Kid is believed to be depicted in this undated ferrotype picture, circa 1880, provided by the Lincoln County, N.M., Heritage Trust Archive. I cant see why a 90-year-old with a bad heart would stand up and say he was a wanted killer, and was facing going back to jail the rest of his life.. The Billy the Kid Museum opened in Hico nearly 40 years after Robertss death, and the city actively celebrates the connection. Then they heard voices in Spanisha language that Billy the Kid spoke as well as English and the Gaelic of his parents native country, Ireland. Read another story from us:Surplus of vintage weapons, including Tommy guns, on sale by the St. Louis Police Department. Billy couldnt grow a beard, said Land, who at first had worked at the museum but took over as director in 2009 to prevent it from shutting down. The gravesite was 84 miles west of what is now Roswell, New Mexico where legend has it that he had been killed by sheriff-turned-bounty-hunter Pat Garrett. But Graves said hes not making a dime on the venture, and insisted that no public funds were being used. Graves has even opened an official homicide investigation file on the death of Billy the Kid (case No. He spent most of his latter years in the territory that eventually became the state of New Mexico. Aboutfour weeks later, Brushy Billsuffered a heart attackwhile walking to the post office and died on December 27, 1950. Metz said the same goes for Billy the Kid: We know where the stone is, but we dont know if hes under it.. Nobody questioned the newspaper description, Land said. Phillip Vasquez, a Stephenville attorney who lives with wife Lucy on a ranch near Hico, has been planning the last two years for the re-launch of the festival, Nov. 1-2. MSNBCs Alan Boyle reports. Then the writer states, As with the slaying of Tunstall, the only witnesses were the killers themselves., Land said, I always tell everybody to research it yourself. Garrett had shot a man who had been speaking Spanish in a darkened room of the ranch house of Pete Maxwell, a friend of Billy the Kid. New Mexico Billy the Kid Legendcomments that Some who have studied the case are scornful, saying that Brushy Bill was not old enough, and he was illiterate while Billy the Kid had beautiful handwriting.. That night, Garrett wrote, he and two deputies, John W. Poe and Thomas McKinney, went to the ranch where Maxwell lived. [3] Despite these findings, when the story was released to the press, experts on the American outlaw were utterly unconvinced and instead they continued to believe that it was Billy the Kid who had been shot by Pat Garrett in the early hours of 14 July 1881.[4]. After some interviews, Roberts admitted he was Billy the Kid and that he was sick of hiding his identity. The Brushy Bill story led to the opening of the popular Billy the Kid Museum, on North Pecan Street in downtown Hico in 1987. Also, because of how old Billys remains would be, it is unlikely that they could be used for DNA testing. They say the only reputed heir of Billy the Kid, self-proclaimed great-grandson Elbert Garcia, supports the request. A BA History and MA Public History and Heritage graduate from the University of Derby. When you listen to his real story, he talks about how he wasnt an outlaw, how he never robbed banks or stagecoaches, how he resented the fact that Governor Lew Wallace reneged on his promise of a pardon in 1879 and left him to die, Edwards says. He spent the last days of his life trying to prove to the world his true identity and obtain the pardon promised him by the governor of the state of New Mexico. In 2011, an episode of Brad Meltzers Decoded investigated Robertss claims, as did a 1990 episode of Unsolved Mysteries. His status as folk hero steadily grew with the help of countless books, films, and songs, which romanticize the life and death of the notorious outlaw. And if words werent enough, the old man hadall the scars that the real Billy the Kid reportedly had. He tried to convince him to admit the fact and Brushy reluctantly did that after some time. The plaque below the statue states: Ollie L. Brushy Bill Roberts, alias Billy the Kid, died in Hico, Texas on December 27, 1950. The alleged Billy the Kid, after decades of hiding, only wanted the pardon for his crimes promised to him by the State of New Mexico 70 years before. As the story goes, Billyjust 21 years old, but already a murderer who had escaped from jail and killed two guards in the processmade the mistake of walking into a darkened bedroom, where Lincoln County Sheriff Pat Garrett was questioning Maxwell. The consequences will be really severe. I now believe without a doubt that Billy the Kid was not killed by Pat Garrett in Ft. Sumner. [2] He had heard rumours that Roberts knew the true fate of Billy the Kid and wanted to investigate more. Every dollar that has been spent on this has been either private money or out of our own pocket, he said. If you can assume that the samples were collected from the right remains, todays genetic tools could identify even century-old remains, as they did in the case of Russias last czar and his family. People want the truth, people dont want a lie. In 1950, Brushy Bill Roberts sat down with the governor of New Mexico, Governor Mabry, to discuss how Roberts was actually Billy the Kid. Garrett began questioning him, andMaxwelladmitted that the outlaw had been around, though he wasnt sure where he was at the moment. In the years and decades to come, more and more people became interested in the alleged Billy the Kid who lived until 1950 in Hico, Texas.

But this time, the showdown pits mayors against sheriffs, and forensic science against the uncertainties of the grave. Author: Asagan CC BY-SA 3.0. When Garrett and the deputies examined Billy the Kids gun, they found that he had five cartridges and one shell in the chamber, with the hammer resting on it. [8] This has meant that any calls for DNA evidence to be analysed has been impossible. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Sixty miles from Fort Sumner, someone else is going to say, Well, Billy the Kid was buried here. And 60 miles from there, someone will say, Hes buried here. Theres nothing good that can come out of this., Lopez said hes already satisfied with the evidence backing Fort Sumners claim, and contends that most of the town is with him on this: If anybody else wants to say they have Billy the Kid, thats fine let them prove it.. I believe if Miss Antrim were alive, she would state, Ill gladly donate my DNA because I want you to prove that that is my son.. The governor had originally taken Billys side and promised him a pardon, but in the end the governor reneged on his promise and left Billy to die., But, as Edwards wrote, Billy the Kid did not die, and his courageous, almost single-handed, struggle against a rigged system inspired a folk hero type following among the citizens of his time.. Jesse Evans, a childhood friend of Billy, told a lawyer who was working on a property claim case in Florida that he and Billy the Kid were two of the three surviving combatants from the Lincoln County War. In terms of Brushy Bill, as has been said, if he wasnt Billy the Kid, then who was he and how did he know so much about the outlaw and the Lincoln County War?

Brushy Bill Roberts, real name William Henry Roberts, first came to the attention of a paralegal, William V. Morrison, in 1948 whilst he was helping to settle an estate. Billy the Kid, aka William Bonney, aka William Henry Roberts, had a rough start in life and became an orphan at age 14. We want to get to the bottom of it, Richardson said in a Voice of America report. Among those who signed affidavits were Jim McDaniels of the Evans Gang, Severo Gallegos, Martile Able, and Jose Montoya. Several movies have been made about the Kids legend, including four titled Billy the Kid (in 1911, 1930, 1941 and 1989). Its that big for us. (LogOut/ Two of the most famous and more recent were Young Guns (part I and II) and Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid.. It was impossible to identify who most of the remains belonged to. But lacking a pronouncement from the grave, the showdown over Billy the Kid wont be over soon.

Why are we throwing it away? Sue Land, director of the Billy the Kid Museum, said she wasnt really a believer in the Brushy Bill claim until she read Edwards book. Another Article From Us:Watch Your Car Roll Uphill at These Unusual Spots, According to Roadside America, the museums late arrival, a whopping 37 years after his death, hurt the museums collection, limiting it to a handful of items owned by the old man. Sue said, according to the article, by the time we came along, almost everything was gone., Watch Your Car Roll Uphill at These Unusual Spots, There are bodies under the giant heads of Easter Island, Britains Atlantis found at bottom of the North sea, Bannock bread the best campfire bread ever created, Why does the American West have enormous concrete arrows across it, Survival skills of Native Americans that we can still use today, The hundred year old ghost ship discovered in the Ohio River by Kayaker, Drive the most haunted roads in the world, The dangerous waters of Jacobs Well in Texas, Mysterious new landforms appearing in Siberia. Billy the Kids headstone in Fort Sumner, New Mexico. As if that werent complicated enough, there was yet another claimant to the infamous name: John Miller, who died in 1937 and is buried in Prescott, Ariz. As Edwards wrote in his book, In a matter of months during the years 1880 and 1881, he was transformed from a relatively minor player in a small-town cattle war to the most wanted outlaw in the West., Edwards explained that Billy found himself the last man standing against what was then known as the Santa Fe Ring, a corrupt group of politicians, businessmen, and lawmen that operated on both sides of the law., The book states that Billy even appealed many times to Governor Lew Wallace for assistance and offered to testify regarding the corruption that was rife in the territory. There are many loopholes in the story of Billy the Kids death, therefore leaving an opportunity not just for Roberts, but a man name John Miller, who died in 1937, to claim to be the outlaw who died young. [10] Hico in Texas, where Roberts retired to, openly admits his claims were true and has a Billy the Kid Museum to explain this. The two deputies who were waiting outside the house, John W. Poe and Thomas McKinney, hadnt met the outlaw before, so they didnt know what he looked like. There is no way to definitively prove or disprove Roberts claims of being the infamous outlaw, but there is no denying that the case has helped perpetuate the outlaw in American history. They all say the same thing: We come to see gravesites that are undisturbed, we dont want to see sites that are pulled apart.. In 1987, the Billy the Kid Museum opened in Hico. After receiving this information Morrison was convincedthat Brushy is, in fact, Billy the Kid. [3] Jameson, W. C., Billy the Kid: Beyond the Grave, pp. Sadly, DNA is not an option in this case. That man, Edwards concluded, was the infamous wild West character Billy the Kid. Billy was not an outlaw. Just then, a figure appeared in the door, carrying a gun and a butcher knife, and asked in Spanish who was there. One source claims there have been more than 50 movies that included a Billy the Kid character. And maybe thats not such a bad thing. Of course, Roberts was unsuccessful. In November 1950, Morrison filed a petition on behalf of Brushy Bill. Most historical accounts describe Billy the Kid as an outlaw, accused by some of killing more than 20 people. 5 and 20. If Brushy Bill was not Billy the Kid, he must have been at the Kids elbow when some of these things happened, Edwards wrote in his book. According to most sources, theinfamous outlaw met his end at the tender age of 21 in the summer of 1881, when he was gunned down by Lincoln County Sheriff Pat Garrett in Fort Sumner, New Mexico. FACT CHECK: We strive for accuracy and fairness. Thats what De Baca County Sheriff Graves, who works in Fort Sumner, is wondering. Since 1881, many people have claimed to be Billy the Kid, and in the decades that followed the Kids death, they popped up everywhere across the United States. Saunders, who lives in Seattle, said she became involved in the controversy because she was enthralled by the unspoiled charms of the Old West and worried that the campaign to dig up the old cemeteries would backfire. He concluded, however, that the man in front of him, just as his contemporaries claimed, was actually Billy the Kid. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. Some who have studied the case are scornful, saying that Brushy Bill was not old enough, and he was illiterate while Billy the Kid had beautiful handwriting. Details of his early life are sketchy, and much of what was written about him just before and after his death was what Motavalli calls scurrilous literaturesensationalized newspaper accounts and quickie books churned out by publishing houses. All rights reserved. Before I made the discoveries I made in my book, I did not have an opinion on Brushy Bill, says Edwards. Its no different from Intel, or Sandia Labs, or Kirtland Air Force Base. One source claims the number of people who actually died from led poisoning (old West slang for being shot) after crossing paths with the Kid may have been only four. He said, Youve got to promise me I wont go to jail, and I want my pardon,' Land said. I want to see people fascinated by Billy the Kid. Land said that it wasnt the first time Garrett had failed in his attempt to get Billy. 1-2. I love anything history. Both Garrett and Billy were armed, but Garrett shot first, killing Billy. That was the third person Garrett shot (that) he thought was Billy the Kid, Land said.

The first shot hit Kid in the chest. It was based on entertaining fiction rather than hard facts. Brushy Bill, was different. Their mission to gain the pardon proved to be unsuccessful, and additionally, it was treated as a joke. Science and the kidTheoretically, DNA testing could indeed show which individuals are related to each other, and which are not, all on the basis of samples taken from remains. Back in June, two New Mexico sheriffs and the mayor of Capitan, N.M., proposed a 21st-century solution: Exhume the remains from all three gravesites, and match the DNA against a sample taken from the body of Billy the Kids mother, Catherine Antrim, who is buried in Silver City, N.M. But it turns out that the mystery of Billy the Kid isnt that simple: Rather, it touches upon the twists and turns of Old West history as well as the politics and economics of the New West. (LogOut/ However, after beginning to do a little research, some parallels with English outlaws emerged. [10] Jameson, W. C., Billy the Kid: Beyond the Grave, p. 7. The outlaws body was buried that same day. Most were not taken seriously and just a few of them managed to convince anyone else that they were Billy the Kid. He was buried, in Fort Sumner Cemetery, with his associates Tom OFolliard and Charlie Bowdre, with the epitaph that reads Palsthough none of them are likely directly under the tombstone there today. I have no problem with the DNA bit, said El Paso historian Leon Metz, who wrote a biography of Sheriff Pat Garrett. And if history has to change, so be it.. The legendary Kid who had escaped from jail several times was in Fort Sumner at the time Garrett was, but slipped away. As Motavalli explains, People are always willing to believe alternative theories.. At least, thats the most widely-accepted version of events. Roberts niece, Geneva Pittmon, showedthat her uncles (Oliver P. Roberts, not Oliver L.) date of birth had been recorded in the Family Bible. So what happens if the wrong remains are retrieved and tested? 2022 A&E Television Networks, LLC. Brushy Bill Roberts, who claimed to be the notorious outlaw Billy the Kidhere wearing mustaches well as a wide-brimmed hat, neck scarf, and coat. When he finally met him, Roberts first denied being Billy the Kid. They want to prove their history. [5] Jameson, W. C., Billy the Kid: Beyond the Grave, p. XII. [12] Jameson, W. C., Billy the Kid: Beyond the Grave, p. 20. I have a wide interest in history ranging from Wars of the Roses, country houses, Stuarts, Georgians, Louis XIV, Napoleon and criminals. I want to get straightened out before I die, I do.. He died soon afterward. Both sides say theyll appeal if the court rulings dont go their way. History and the kidThe DNA controversy does indeed go beyond De Baca County, N.M.: A grass-roots group called the Billy the Kid Historic Preservation Society is helping to organize opposition to the exhumations. Now these are strange things for someone that is a fraud to focus on. One hearing, scheduled in December, is to determine whether Silver Citys mayor has legal standing in the matter of Catherine Antrims remains, said Sherry Tippett, the attorney representing Graves and his fellow petitioners. Guess what happens? Fort Sumner Mayor Lopez asked.

I dont believe that were the only town in the world, and the world is very interested in this, he said. You want someone to buy you a drink, so you say, Im Billy the Kid.. To complicate matters further, at least two men emerged decades later who were believed by some to be Billy. Western outlaw Billy the Kid met his demise at about 12:30 a.m. on July 14, 1881, when he went to his friend Pete Maxwells home in Fort Sumner, New Mexico in search of a slice of beef for a late-night snack. In researching his book, Edwards analyzed photosof Billy the Kid and Roberts, and dug into the details of Robertss account of his life and comparing them with known facts about Billy the Kid. Did thefamed gunslinger Billy the Kidfake his owndeath? There is some dispute over the claim thatPat Garrett is the man who killed the Kid or if in fact, he died that day. Young Guns I and II were both based around the Lincoln County War, a clash between rival frontier groups that began in 1878 in New Mexico Territory. A more recent stone marker has been placed in the graveyard but its uncertain whether it lies anywhere near the original grave location. Lopez and other opponents of the testing, however, say theres more to be lost than to be gained. Im rooting for the 14-year-old kid. Brushy Bill was 90 three days shy of turning 91. The interest in Billy the Kids legend has remained high, with his name sometimes mentioned in the same breath as other infamous gunslingers Jesse James, Wild Bill Hickok, John Wesley Hardin, Sam Bass and Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

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